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Unbelievable Classic Replay: Antagonistic atheism: David Robertson vs Mike Lee

I was speaking at a conference on Saturday when one of the participants came up to me and asked how many ministers there were from Dundee called David Robertson!  He was amazed because out on his walk that morning he had been listening to the Unbelievable podcast and he heard me.  I was a bit surprised as I havn’t been on Unbelievable for a number of years – however it was what they called a ‘classic replay’.  So classic I had forgotten about it!  Anyway here it is – listening to it again I am reminded of how empty atheism is….It was also a special programme for me – the first one I did after being in hospital….which Justin also discusses.  I must admit I miss my debates with the fundamentalist atheists – they tend to avoid them nowadays – mainly because they kept losing – and more importantly they keep providing opportunities for the Gospel!   Anyway judge for yourselves….

“From May 2012, Mike Lee aka “The Religious Antagonist” was a US atheist who made YouTube videos mocking Christianity.  His videos were popular but his approach earned him both praise and criticism from fellow atheists. David Robertson often interacts with atheists online and has earned himself the title “the wee flea” for his provocative interactions on the Dawkins website.They debated whether Mike’s approach is a helpful one.  David accused Mike of emotional atheism and an incoherent view of Christianity. Mike said mocking Christianity was the best way of policing its power in the US.


  1. Hi David,

    I managed to be one of four who spoke against gay marriage at the recent assembly.

    It didn’t change the minds of the majority of the commissioners; sadly, there were those there who did not put their heads above the parapet.

    Continued blessings


    1. Well done Mike…but it gets worse. The Church of Scotland is now supporting the Scottish governments GRA – thus supporting child abuse and attacks on women…

  2. Not sure the best way to get in touch but recently came across Ten lies of contemporary culture by Dr Peter Kreeft thecommencement address at a Catholic college. Editing out the small pieces in deference to the immediate religious context his thoughts are really succinct and excellent in the main. This YouTube clip which is only short should be easy to find. Very excellent assessment and pithy and humorous. Thought you might be interested

  3. In Mike Lee’s world he equates wealth with intelligence . I am sorry , but I don’t believe that even Mike believes that !

  4. If one makes assay of the average IQ of resource – poor, rich nations like Japan or South Korea ( see Prof. Richard Lynn’s book , “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”) , the macro effect of a country’s having an average IQ of 100 or over becomes obvious.

  5. Dustin Johnston, golf’s No 1 , has reportedly signed to play golf for an Arab conglomerate for appearance money of $124,000, 000 , for which the fee for winning is a paltry $4,000,000. Just like in the world of football , there must be thousands of Albert Einstein’s floating around a golf course .

  6. I am a regular listener to your podcasts and always enjoy and benefit from your coverage of news and views from a Christian perspective. I have just a couple of thoughts in response to your podcasts of late. First, regarding the Bible in popular songs. You probably have avoided theses because they are obvious but to date I don’t think you have aired Spirit in the Sky, Jesus is Just Alright, and Turn, Turn, Turn. Also if you haven’t heard Larry Normans strange (even stranger than usual) album Streams of White Light into Darkened Corners give it a listen. It is a parody of sorts with Stonehill acting the part of DJ and Norman singing some of the popular “spiritual” oriented popular songs. Second, you have made a couple passing comments regarding the war in Ukraine being a proxy war between Russia and the US (and I think the last podcast you included the UK). I would offer an adjusted viewpoint. If it is a “proxy” war then there are many other countries involved besides the US and the UK. In fact in terms of military aid to Ukraine from the standpoint of GDP the US ranks pretty far down the list. (See the link below.) This shows that there are other countries besides the US and the UK that consider Ukraine winning the conflict in their best interest. This is not to deny the US contributes the most as a matter of military contributions in raw numbers. I would also ask you to consider what the benefit might be to the world order as a whole. If the world community allows Russia to willy nilly invade and overtake its former surrogates there are many other countries that might do the same with its historic surrogates now independent nations. It is not surprising the China is at least tacitly supporting Russia. They have designs on expansion, namely Taiwan and other areas closer to your new adopted home of Australia. As a point underscoring these concerns the US and Australia have seen the mutual benefit of supplying nuclear subs to Australia as a deterrent to Chinese threats of expansion. Basically, what I’m suggesting is that while I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination it may make sense from a global stability standpoint to arm Ukraine to the hilt, to prevent its takeover by Russia and to show that the US and other nations around the world are willing to stand up to destabilizing via the ceding of territories by military takeover. Just a thought.


    1. Thanks Ron….I already used Turn, Turn, Turn – but Spirit int he Sky and Jesus is just alright….are good suggestions.

      Re Ukraine….I think that there are no good solutions. Other countries (like China re Taiwan) will certainly invade….America won’t stop that. And the Americans are playing a really dangerous game with a nuclear power. If Russia is humiliated then who knows what may happen. Furthermore I don’t trust Zelensky one bit – Ukraine was a deeply corrupt nation before the invasion – will it have changed? BUt it is complex and your thoughts are valuable and helpful…thanks…

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