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Rod Liddle – Selfish Whining Monkeys.. A Review – Part 1

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The subtitle of this book is how we ended up greedy, narcissistic and unhappy. It doesn’t sound cheerful reading! But it is absolutely brilliant. Liddle is a superb writer – humorous, observant, and biting. He does not write from a Christian perspective but there is much in here that I could resonate with.   One warning – one of the weak points about the book is the regular use of the ‘F word’….

if you don’t want to read the whole thing then I’ve identified 25 characteristics of our generation that he speaks about. I’m not saying that I agree with every single one of them, but it certainly makes for fascinating reading and provokes to thought.   Enjoy!

1) The Selfish Generation –

“I, and my generation, seen by contrast feckless and irresponsible, endlessly selfish, whining, avaricious, self-deluding, self obsessed, spoiled and corrupt and ill. We are the generation that spent the small but hard earned inheritance we got from our hard-working parents (mine went on that most irresponsible and selfish of all our new and expensive freedoms, divorce lawyers), and are now busy spending the money we should be leaving to our kids.” P.9

2) The Lost Generation –

“It is hard to argue against longer life expectancy, greater affluence, safer workplaces, the freedom to escape from a hopeless marriage, the rights of women to be treated equally, and so on. But a certain moral code has been lost along the way, which has contributed largely to our country becoming close to bankrupt, a nation of broken families clamouring about their entitlements siring ill educated and undisciplined kids unfamiliar with the concept of right and wrong, where there is an ever diminishing sense of community and belonging, a perpetual transience, if you fancy a cheap oxymoron.”p. 10

“peace has made us complacent, freedom has made us irresponsible, affluence has made us acquisitive, comfort has made us neglectful of others, and security has made us – oddly enough – tremblingly insecure.” Page 11

3) The Proud Generation

“This is what happens when we are freed from the requirement to be humble, to bow down, to accept that we are deeply flawed and are inclined – when liberated from the suspicion that someone powerful and vengeful and probably bad-tempered is watching everything we do – to behave rather badly, and with a consuming arrogance. We build things to praise ourselves, and then, having finally abolished God, we become a God to ourselves. We become gripped by intimations of our own brilliance.” Page 15.

“It is no coincidence that this rapid erosion of deference to an omnipotent, unseen other has occurred in tandem with the growth of institutionalised self obsession, self-pity and public emoting.” Page 18

4) The Heartless Generation

“It is undoubtedly true that as orthodox religious belief has retreated, so we have become more nakedly individualistic, more inclined to be immune to the needs and requirements of our fellow men. I suspect there is a correlation.” Page 20

5) The Greedy Generation

 “credit, as it exists in its ubiquity today, is a con trick perpetuated upon the poorest and the most vulnerable in society. It doles out an illusory wealth which has, over the decades, disguised the extent to which the incomes of the richest and the incomes of the poorest have become ever more polarised, the trickle down that never really happened and was never really expected to happen, if we are being honest. The poor get their shit stuff, for a while, until it is repossessed along with their oldest daughter, and maybe they forget that they are earning only 1/200 of the salary – excluding bonuses – of their chief executive, whereas 40 years ago they be on about one 20th as much as the boss.” Page 30.

6) The Impatient Generation

“This waiting is the thing my generation no longer does, is no longer cool with. It does not wait for anything. It does not see why it should. Life’s too short, isn’t it? Paradoxically, life was rather shorter back when people did way – still they waited.” Page 34.

7) The ‘Flexible’ Generation

“Flexible, then, as understood by Mr Starkey, is a synonym – a euphemism, if you like – for xxxx cheap. The reason British businesses employ Eastern European labour is that they can pay them 3/5 of xxx all and get away with it; it is nothing to do with a reluctance on the part of the British worker to shift his indolent fat arse and travel a few miles for a job. The Poles and Slovaks have very low overheads here, and a much lower cost of living back home. They don’t have families to support in this country, by and large, so they work for less. Have you noticed how minicab fares haven’t risen much recently, or sometimes gone down? You can probably work out why that is when you listen to the drivers accident.” – Page 42

8) The Homeless Generation

“And back at home moving, always moving; having an investment only in the baldest sense of the word, in the mortgage. Having no investment in the community you live in, and the people who live around you, because you’re always ready to move on again, to buy bigger and better, and thus trouser more almost wholly imaginary money. As a consequence, the poorest of us – an ever-growing proportion – are forced into private-sector lettings, because there are no council houses left.” Page 49.

‘’ we replaced the communal with the sopilistic, the acquisitive and the narcissistic.“. Page 51.

9) The Blameless Generation

“We are, as Richard Hoggart put it in The way We Live Now, riding a wave of relativism – ‘the obsessive avoidance of judgements of quality, or moral judgement ‘; there is no blame to be attached to anything anyone does; we should not judge, we should not blame. And so, of course, as a consequence, people come to expect not to be judged and not to be blamed. People who cannot work because they are ‘disabled ‘by, say, alcoholism or obesity, but who nonetheless have several children to support, do not remotely blame themselves for giving their kids an awful life – they blame you, and me, and society. And they will demand, as a right, a larger house, and therefore a larger bill for you and me to pay, because the notion that they should look out for themselves a little bit either has not occurred to them, or has occurred to them but appals them in its apparent callousness.” Page 59.

10) The Atomised Generation

“This moronic fugue, this howling – that I have been transgressed, or I am a victim, or I demand redress, or simply and exultantly LOOK! I AM! – is the conscious expression of a society which, underneath, is fractured into a million different parts and no longer has any sense of itself as a cohesive whole, and therefore with a concomitant moral responsibility to others. What we have instead is an infinitely atomised morass of acquisitiveness and complaint and insularity and braggadocio”. Page 64.

“In a sense, the free market, and this perpetual demand for choice, is another expression of our modern individual narcissism, and our insularity: we alone know best.” Page 183.

“The thesis is that choice has made us happier. This control we now have has given us better lifes. Has it?” Page 185.

11) The Generation of the Sixties and Eighties

“from the 60s we acquired the insistence upon self-expression and the overthrowing of a conservative social agenda in favour of one in which, after a fashion, anything went and was beyond all reproof. A reaction, of course, against the buttoned up, constrained and often absurd stoicism of the preceding generation. And as those free-living and endlessly expensive baby boomers get older and wealthier, so their individualistic demands drove them to the political right. From the 1980s we received the human right to be endlessly, pointlessly acquisitive, to look after our own interests and XXX the needs of the rest, to deny – a la the prime minister of the time – that such a thing as society even existed.. “Page 64.

12) The Divorced Generation

“beyond that, though it was a betrayal of my boys. Having made the decision to have children, I should have stuck with it. But I didn’t; my personal happiness seemed to count for more than anything else.” Page 75.

 “The loosening of the divorce laws, and the swift removal of stigma from those who have been divorced, came from the top down. It was designed to enable the more affluent in society to continue to pursue that most compulsive of post-1960 pastimes, serial monogamy.” Page 76.…

 Like so much socially liberal legislation presented to the electorate as a wonderful means of acquiring those most liberal of things, freedom and equality, divorce reform benefited only the well-off, by and large. It was legislation designed to enable the affluent to XXXX around with impunity, (no fault, remember!), And hang the rest. Hang the kids. Children from broken homes make up 80% of the population of Britain psychiatric units……. Whoever the 1971 divorce format was brought into ‘enable ‘, it was certainly not the children. It was not the children, and it was not the poor.” Page 77.

13) The Sexualised Generation

He talks about the 1970’s and Gary Glitter singing to 14 year old girls – ‘Do you wanna touch me?” What do you think he was referring to…?

Part 2 here

23 comments

  1. There may be hope for him.
    If I remember correctly, while at radio 4 he did a series on, belief, faith, with much vacillation but said he felt somehow drawn, with avery diluted affinity to the CoE.
    I too do not like the bad langauge. There is a harshness to it that makes me internally wince but it is the language of the day, of unbelievers, to be looked beyond , turn a deaf ear to in the hope of an opportunity to offer the transformative gospel. Having said that I’d change channels on the TV, or mute, or not watch in the first place, if forewarned. In my pre Christian it wouldn’t bother me. It does now.
    I occasionally read his articles in the Sunday Times (ST), which I invariably appreciate, as it challenges the spirit of the agein all its manefestations, and the language is greatly moderated. In fact I’m not sure how he gets them published as they go against the flow of much editorial ethos of the ST.

  2. By and large I agree with this:
    “This waiting is the thing my generation no longer does, is no longer cool with. It does not wait for anything.”
    Except for one thing. That is marriage and having children. The age at which people get married and the age at which they have their first child is much later than it used to be. Of course, for some, marriage is not a prerequisite of having children and they never get married. But travelling, having a career and a good time are now considered to be more immediate needs than getting married and having children.

  3. Hello Pr David

    Congratulations on your work with ScoMo and Anthony Albanese yesterday. It is wonderful that ScoMo seems sincere to you and not just all “image”. Thanks so much for your work that is already helping this country. You have covered a lot of cities in a short space of time – more than many Aussies would cover in a lifetime! I am looking forward to your impressions of Tasmania some time soon.

    This blog post on divorce, etc, reminded me of something that has been troubling me for a long time that I would like to share here. It relates to a person of my acquaintance, the minor Australian writer and blogger, Philippa Moore (now Philippa Schoon), whom I know through mutual friends. Philippa Moore who spent many years as an expatriate in London, before returning home last year.

    Philippa Moore presents a different problem from that which is discussed in this post: she married relatively young (for a member of Generation Y) but divorced within about five years. She discusses her divorce in this opinion piece she wrote for the Huffington Post:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/getting-divorced-in-my-20s-made-me-a-better-person_b_9360484

    We can see from the piece’s title that she actually thinks her divorce was a beneficial experience in the long term. 🙁

    Some key quotes from her piece:

    “My expectations were very unrealistic (probably unfair, too) and I adopted a very passive role in my young marriage. Keeping my husband happy was my priority, even at the expense of my own needs. And it was 2002, not 1950.”

    “I felt I was a walking contradiction in many ways — heartbroken over my failed marriage and deeply ashamed of what I felt it said about me; yet excited about the freedom and possibilities that the end of my marriage opened up for me.”

    “… as time went on, I became proud of it — both of the fact I’d got out of a marriage that wasn’t working early (rather than sticking it out for another 20 years and then leaving), and of the person I became because of it.”

    ” I learned to love my own company and to meet my own emotional needs rather than seek external validation all the time…”

    “You write your own happy ending.”

    These quotes clearly show the fundamental flaws in Philippa Moore’s worldview: she rejects the idea of marriage being about staying together through good times and bad and instead sees it as part of a quest for happiness, she rejects the idea that the female should have a passive role in the relationship and the precept of male headship and she ultimately comes to believe the delusion that true happiness comes from within and that we determine it ourselves, rather than from the Most High Source of All Happiness.

    Philippa Moore’s views ultimately lead, sadly, to a kind of hedonism as can be seen in her blog posts.

    She and her second husband, Tom Schoon, are also “woke” to the point of self-parody, as can be seen from their frequent Tweets. They tick all the boxes: pro-gay, feminist, vegetarian, environmentalist, Leftist, Hawke-Keating-supporting economic rationalists (yet simultaneously anti-Thatcherist-I have no idea how they resolve that contradiction!), pro-Greta, anti-Trump, atheistic, Remainer, anti-Scottish/Welsh independence, #MeToo supporting, yoga-practicing, hypno-therapy indulging(!), Guardian reading, etc, etc, etc…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tomschoon/with_replies

    https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/with_replies

    I am definitely not saying this to laugh at them or to be condescending, though, just merely to point out the spiritual blindness of our times that they exemplify. We must not judge and Philippa Moore did have a difficult childhood : her father was a local celebrity breakfast radio host on a commercial FM station, which would have put some degree of pressure on her. Worse, her mother – according to many people who know her – is a contradiction who overindulged her children yet could be a pushy/overbearing bully too. These factors led to Philippa having to battle bulimia for a while and other neurotic behaviours such as hoarding. 🙁 Her second husband, Tom, also suffers from a bad anxiety disorder. One of Philippa’s younger sisters, Liz, was also affected and ran off the rails badly, becoming pregnant outside of wedlock whilst also quite young. 🙁 Philippa also had an unhappy time attending a Roman Catholic school in her childhood, so she did not encounter true religion there.

    Continued….

  4. In summary, the reason I am writing this is to show attitudes that exemplify those of at least some of the young today and how the sad, dead-end path of self-indulgence and the selfish Epicurean/hedonistic attitudes and woke SJW activism that Philippa has gone down is ultimately a dead-end. It derply troubles me that this relatively intelligent, articulate young woman has become lost in so much selfishness even as she searches for happiness and understanding in life.

    I therefore want to encourage readers to pray this heartfelt prayer that Philippa Moore and her husband and sisters will turn to Christ and realise that true, selfless happiness is truly found only in Him and not in the pleasures of this world. May they leave behind shallow, materialistic pleasures and find a life of self-sacrifice to the Lord and to each other is the only true life of love. May God grant them wisdom and maturity and lead them to His salvation through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord – via the one true religion through faith alone by His grace alone.
    In Jesus’ name,
    Amen.

    1. Further to my comment a while ago encouraging prayer for these young people, I wish to add something else I saw today.

      Tom Schoon retweeted this militant vegan comment today. Sadly, it is not satire; the extreme fringes of the vegan movement actually believe this:

      “Life of this little piggy has much higher value than the lives of all hunters, butchers, poachers & animal farmers combined
      Change my Mind.
      #wednesdaymorning #WednesdayWisdom #WednesdayMotivation #Bacon #cheese #pork #steak #bbq #Hamburger #pizza #dinner”

      There is a photo of a piglet accompanying the tweet.

      Original source, which Schoon retweeted:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/CholesTroll/status/1207323364748091392

      Even allowing for the fact that Tom Schoon is suffering from a mild mental illness (and his wife Philippa Moore is somewhat eccentric) this is disturbing on multiple levels and shows just how twisted the morality of the secular liberal far left has become. Perhaps someone should play the vegans who wrote the original tweet at their own game and sue them for discrimination by promoting animal rights over human rights.

      I don’t believe Schoon himself is dangerous but, in the worst case scenario, some nutter in the vegan movement could be incited to kill farmers to prevent them sending livestock to the abattoirs. After all, that is what the mindset behind this tweet is endorsing: the idea that an animal’s life is worth more than a human’s.

      This is the depth to which the secular humanists can sink in their search for a godless morality; a total twisting of values and norms of morality.

      Schoon and his wife, the Tasmanian writer and blogger Philippa Moore, might be extreme cases, in taking this kind of thing seriously but they are not alone. They need our prayers more than ever now as they truly have lost their moral compass in their strange mix of hedonistic lifestyle and far left misanthropy. Please pray they will come to Christ before it is too late and leave their sinful lives and twisted, sick value system behind.

      Dear Lord God, Please enter the lives of Philippa, Tom and their families and save them. Highlight to them the sinfulness of their lives and bankrupt moral system and lead them to salvation. In the name of Christ Your Son, our Lord, Amen.

      1. Thank you so much for writing this. I will definitely pray these prayers for them. I am concerned for Philippa Moore, both because of the content of her writing for newspapers and blogs and her book and because I, too, know her as a person and I know how fragile and emotional she is. However, I also know how her “woke”/uber-liberal journalism and blogging is contributing harm to our society, undermining the sanctity of marriage, gender norms, sexual ethics and the basic tenets of morality. In this she is as culpable as every other Huffington journalist and gender-is-a-social-construct academic out there today and setting a terrible example for other impressionable young girls who may, I fear, end up making the same mistakes she is making by following this pied piper of blogging up the garden path to a dead end.

        I have known Philippa’s parents for many years. I am aware that many people don’t like Sylvia because she is so overbearing and very aggressively protective of her children – I have witnessed her do that myself and it has disturbed me to see it – but I have always personally got on well with her. I know a lot of people accuse her of being a bully. Apparently she even chased off one of Liz’s potential suitors, which is a shame. Overall though, Sylvia is just misunderstood by most people. She does have a good heart and means well. I don’t think she realises how hard and aggressive she often comes across and how many people she has sadly alienated as a result. She is my friend, though and I am proud to call her that.

        Liz was in a bad way for a long time in her late teens and early twenties – she went badly off the rails – but I think she is somewhat better these days. She fornicated a lot and became very egotistical. I saw her mistreat and alienate people. Rebekah was always the most levelheaded of the children.

        The biggest problem is that Sylvia spoiled them as children – they were allowed to do things we wouldn’t dream of, such as, to give one example of many, rummage through their mother’s handbag as teenagers without her permission and not even receiving the slightest rebuke from her for this kind of behaviour. Myself and other mothers were shocked by this kind of thing.

        The children were all attention- seekers and desperate for people to like them. They lacked self-esteem in my view, especially Liz and Phil.

        I do think it is a big mistake for Philippa Moore to have become a public figure. Some of her writing has shocked and disgusted me. She did have psychological problems in her childhood as she notes in her memoir, The Latte Years, and has always been mildly eccentric or “unique” as she herself readily admits. On the one hand, she is an attention-seeker and shameless self-publicist ( https://www.pressreader.com/australia/mercury-hobart-magazine/20160129/281852937591028 ) and, on the other, she is psychologically fragile. Her use of the media to promote herself and her book is demonstrative of this. Whenever her writing is criticised she is quick to play the victim card (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2017/may/22/when-tweeters-attack-why-do-readers-send-authors-their-bad-reviews
        ) and denounce her critics as “trolls” and “bullies” even going on SBS television to discuss this ( https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/voices/culture/article/2017/08/01/how-stand-online-bullies
        ) yet she and Tom have been perpetrators of bullying themselves.

        Philippa was a very sweet girl when she was young but I have been disturbed by the changes in her since she moved back to Tasmania. None of the changes are for the better. She is a very selfish person now. I personally think Tom has been a bad influence in her though she was heading down a hedonistic and selfish path even before she met him according to her writings in the Latte Years.

        Her writings promoting divorce as a liberating experience seem more like an attempt at self- justification for the failure of her first marriage than anything else but I really don’t know what happened there as I have only read her side of things. Her public promotion of divorce and attacks on traditional gender roles ( https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1227790502814085125 ) though subconsciously betray the selfishness inherent in her work. ( https://www.huffpost.com/entry/getting-divorced-in-my-20s-made-me-a-better-person_b_9360484) The Latte Years is all about SELF. Self-realisation, self indulgence, etc, trampling over societal norms along the way. I suspect part of her liberalism may also be her trying to ingratiate herself to the literati. ( https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ic6EDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=latte+years+philippa&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin3LX0kfPnAhXe_XMBHTIXAQoQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=latte%20years%20philippa&f=false )

        As well as promoting divorce, in her columns and on her award-winning blog she has constantly promoted a sordid lifestyle. For instance, there was her notorious column for Cosmopolitan magazine on “50 Shades of Grey exercises” ( https://bit.ly/389L9Kq ) and blog posts on immoral sex and other personal matters (before she married Tom). I had to stop reading her blog because I was so disgusted by it. In The Latte Years though she admits that there was an element of naivety here too as she did not anticipate her discussion of her sex life would be turned against her by other bloggers and trolls. Besides openly committing sexual sin and promoting her lifestyle choices to others, there was no sense of decorum in her blog posts that private lives should be kept private. Pure smut. 🙁

        She is now pursuing a feminist political activist line as well, embracing every Leftist/Woke cause imaginable ( https://www.ebrd.com/news/2014/new-ebrd-gender-video-premieres.html ) with her Tweets and Guardian/Huffpost writings. She is so woke that, on her current blog, she even acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land she is on! ( https://www.philippamoore.net ) Despite this, like many Leftists, she has never been to an Aboriginal settlement in her life and knows nothing if their real needs or the rorts of Aboriginal “industry” and the “stolen generation” fraud. Tom sees fit to pontificate about Aboriginal affairs on Twitter (‘”Anyone who climbs Uluru is showing a total lack of respect”‘) despite having lived in Australia for only three months(!) at that stage. Breathtaking arrogance that left me appalled, I am afraid. ( https://mobile.twitter.com/tomschoon/ )

        You have outline all of their other extremely woke views above. You point out the inconsistency of Phil being a fan of Hawke-Keating whilst she and Tom Schoone despise the Tories and Thatcherism. I don’t understand how they synthesise these views either since we all know Hawke-Keating ‘economic rationalism’ was just rebranded Thatcherism. Phil was also cheerleading for a Bill Shorten victory on Twitter, even though his would-be treasurer, Chris Bowen, had repeatedly stated in the media that he wanted to continue Keating’s disastrous reform policies. Making it all the stranger, in the Latte Years, Phil acknowledges that the disastrous Keating-exacerbated 1990s recession cost her family their home, forcing them to move to the countryside (Cygnet). Her parents are fairly-diehard Labor supporters though so she would undoubtedly be influenced by them.

        In terms of religion, I think her parents are very much nominal Catholics. I have never discussed such sensitive topics with them, though, so I am not certain of their beliefs. Her Dad, the 7HOFM radio announcer Richard Moore, did attend a Presbyterian-run school when he was in Africa for a stint as a child though. Phil herself attended a Catholic all- girls school (where she was extremely unhappy) and then the elite Friends Quaker School. By her own admission on her blog though, religion classes bored her and she was not particularly interested in the Bible, sadly although she is an intelligent person, a member of Mensa, top TCE student, studying for a doctorate, etc. Phil’s first marriage took place in an evangelical Anglican Church but I think she only picked this because her grandparents were married there. I believe she had to attend the Alpha Course before she was married and the minister whom I spoke to after the wedding seemed lovely but I think Phil only ever became a nominal Christian at best, if that. Certainly her views now, promoting divorce, homosexuality, a “woman’s right to choose” etc and experimenting with casual sex and masturbation between marriages are the antithesis of traditional Christianity. Philippa Moore has also dabbled in some occult practices including consulting a clairvoyant, hypnotherapy and practising yoga.

        Tom Schoon is openly atheist as well. Actually, Liz was tending to grow in religious conviction from her time working at Tasmanian Catholic kindergartens and preps. I don’t really know how firm her convictions are though. She needs a lot of prayer in her life as well so that she will grow in her faith. Please pray for her. It touches my heart deeply to see Liz grow in faith after the difficulties and mistakes and arrogance of her adolescence and twenties.

        Ultimately, I am struck by the sadness of the whole situation. Phil was a sweet but vulnerable and naive child who has through experiences grown into a rather unpleasant and selfish adult. She was always an emotionally fragile person who took things personally so I don’t know how many of the incidents in the Latte Years (school bullying, sexual harassment, internet trolls) were serious incidents in reality but they were clearly serious to her in her fragile state of mind. That and a sadly domineering, overprotective mother probably led to the eating disorders and other psychological problems. Philippa now sees release from her problematic childhood in a self-indulgent, hedonistic lifestyle with her second husband, Tom, of travel, fine food, alcohol and sensual indulgence, sexual experimentation, freedom from traditional gender constraints and a “liberating” divorce. She thought she could gain life experience and wisdom through smut in places like San Francisco and London. Unfortunately, she has found support for her views amongst her fellow Twitterati and in the Leftist media for which she writes. What really worries me though is what will she be left with when she finally realises how hollow her new lifestyle really is and it all falls through. Also, it saddens me deeply that she promotes such selfish living and rejection of Biblical norms through her columns, her book and her high-profile blog and Tweets. Although very intelligent, I don’t think she is very critically-minded: she just swallowed all of the feminist and gender politics twaddle she learnt at uni without questioning any of it. She does not see the agendas that lie behind these things. It is also sad to note she and Ton have been guilty of online bullying themselves, something they are quick to decry in others.

        I also continually worry about her mental health. Since Philippa Moore has been in such a fragile place mentally before, I don’t know if courting the media and trying to build up a high profile in literary circles and the public gaze is the best path for her. Also, although she is clearly happy with him, I don’t know if Tom is a good influence on her or if he is just dragging her in an even more extreme leftist, hedonistic position. I realise he has a mild mental illness but his whole uber-leftist lifestyle is doing her no favours.

        At heart though, I still want to believe that Philippa Moore is still the good kid I knew when she was young and that she has just gone down a bad path more through naivety than anything due to her sheltered upbringing and bad early experiences out in the world, a world she is still trying to make sense of. Though she promotes sin and destructive social behaviours and there is an air of self-entitlement to some of her writing, I don’t think she is in the same class as most uktra-woke Guardian/Huffpost guest contributor hacks. Being back in Tasmania away from London will be good for her, hopefully. I will therefore pray earnestly for her and Tom as you wish us to do and would strongly urge others to do so as well because I am really worried for that kid. She needs love and support, not condemnation, and desperately needs faith in her life. She is intelligent enough that she would listen to anyone willing to help guide her onto a better path for, despite her claims in her writings and her book that she has found herself, it is evident to me that she is still a very lost person. She would not listen to me but I hope someone she encounters will help give her guidance with her struggles and questions one day. It is a very slim chance but Phil, if you do ever read this, I know you are a very sensitive person so please don’t take offence at anything I have written above. Please know that people love you and are praying for you.

      2. Thanks for commenting on Philippa Moore and her book. I read ‘The Latte Years’ recently and, subsequently, some of her news opinion pieces and I was appalled by her anti-Christian attitudes to marriage, divorce and sex. Definitely not the kind of writings I would want my daughter to read.

        Honestly, the impression I got was that she is a spoilt, immature brat, albeit a very insecure one, and the comments above about her mother reinforce that view.

        I just looked at her Twitter account and I saw this recent Tweet, which seems to sum up her hostility towards Christianity:

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        There’s no hate like Christian love.

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        Perfectly put.

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        I wonder where her hatred came from? I don’t know whether to feel sorry for her or repulsed by her views. I will definitely pray as you suggest.

        There is so much self-entitlement and self-righteousness in her loony leftist articles.

        On another note, yes, I am so glad Scott Morrison is our Prime Minister in this pandemic situation! We certainly dodged a bullet with Labor’s election loss. The way Shorten used the Beaconsfield mining tragedy to build up his national profile, I hate to think how he would have exploited this crisis to further his ends if he were our national leader. Even more frightening would be if Paul Keating’s puppet Chris Bowen were treasurer given the way Paul Keating bungled his handling of the 1990s recession. Whatever their shortcomings (indecisiveness being they key one) Morrison and Frydenberg are doing a great job given the circumstances.

  5. Hi! I’m from Tassie and i knew Philippa Moore when we were young too so I can relate to this. Yes now she is a wordsmith/journo/academic she has drunk the political correctness/identity politics kool-aid completely. 🙁

    What I find most ludicrous is the way that Philippa played the victim card in that SBS interview on bullying linked above. In truth she was a bully herself when we were younger. As other people have noted the Moore family are fairly notorious around Hobart. Her mother, Sylvia, bullied children. Her nickname was the ‘Lioness’ because she was so defensive of her own children but bullied other peoples kids. We were all terrified of her when we were at school she was so overbearing and aggressive, determined to always get her own way. She was sort of like a stage mother but instead of pushing her kids to achieve she mollycoddled and spoilt them and overindulged them. I guess that is how they ended up neurotic, politically correct snowflakes.

    Liz Moore the sister (now Liz Graham, married to Gene Graham a triathlete and electrician) was a neurotic, bullying, rude person too. I thought Richard Moore the father, a minor celeb radio announcer, was okay until Liz Graham was given an ‘Apple for the Teacher’ prize (an Apple computer) in a competition by his radio station (7HOFM). It was blatant nepotism and minor corruption. No where did they declare she was the radio station presenter’s daughter when she won their comp. 🙁

    Anyway I read Philippa Moore’s book, Latte Years, and felt dirty after I read it with all the talk of immoral sex. It also had some bizarre claims like she thinks had been sexually propositioned by an older girl(!) at her all-girls Catholic school (she isn’t sure what happened now as she has had some weird hypnotherapy to repress the memory). Whatever happened the parents found the diary and confronted the school principal. However they then enrolled her three younger sisters in the he school. If something that bad had happened surely the parents would have pulled them all from that school?!

    On her Twitter page I saw this absolutely blasphemous birthday card from her parents:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1265189347969515522

    I understand it is some kind of meme from the TV show ‘Gavin & Stacey’ (I have never watched it) but surely Philippa Moore realises how offensive it would be to Christians to put in the public sphere on social media. Someone so concerned about political correctness and not offending others is unconcerned about the deep offence to people of faith. As usual there is breathtaking hypocrisy among the identity politics crowd.

    Philippa Moore retweeted this statement too so she endorses liberal authoritarian censorship for others but does not mind who she offends herself:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mingzhuhii/status/1270874503275413504

    One of the most disturbing tweets of all though is this one. Philippa is using the Kew tragedy in which four police officers died to promote identity politics:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1253579537687822337

    To me, that is just gutter politics on Philippa Moore’s part and when I saw that I lost any and all respect i had for her.

    Philippa Moore also tweeted several times during the Geoffrey Rush case, assuming he was guilty and was furious when he was found innocent. She has also retweeted posts accusing Trump of sexual assault which claim that having credible witnesses is as good as being found guilty. Look, I know as well as the next person that the legal system is deeply flawed and even corrupt but here Philippa Moore is blatantly rejecting the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It is another step towards Liberal Authoritarian tyranny.

    Anyone from Tasmania who has met Philippa Moore knows she is a mildly eccentric person. However the types of views held by her and the other members of the identity politics crowd are more than just eccentric: they are dangerous. Calling for censorship, rejecting the presumption of innocence, reverse racism in assuming white males are guilty, and various other statements she has made would logically lead to the undermining of democracy.

    Her soapboxing over COVID-19 shows a breathtaking naivety with regard to economics as do her comments on the so-called ‘Stolen Generations’ industry and indigenous affairs.

    Unlike most of the commenters on this site, I guess, I am a former Leftist. I actually had a lot of time for the Old Left with it’s focus on economic equality and social progress. They have now completely alienated me and I have lurched to the Right because of the New Left’s identity politics, bullying and espousal of authoritarianism. Philippa Moore is a typical representative of this new Left. How much she believes what she writes and how much of it is just her getting on trendy bandwagons like BLM, the Stolen Generations, etc, I cannot tell.

    1. London calling… London calling… Hello there!

      I recently read The Latte Years hoping it would provide answers to some questions I had. It didn’t really but perhaps, to be fair, I was too old for the book (which seems to be aimed at people in their late teens/early twenties). In fact, it really surprised me because some of the thought in it seemed so superficial. I was expecting something with a lot more insight and depth.

      I am not sure if Philippa Moore is a good writer or not because the other thing that annoyed me about the book is that it is written in an extremely colloquial, “chatty” style. I prefer more polished, formal prose.

      Anyway, I didn’t know what to make of the author at first. I’ve been reading through her Tweets linked above to get a better sense of her and I can see she is a crank.

      I have many Leftist political sympathies myself but her SJW pontificating about subjects she clearly knows nothing about is truly grating. Perhaps that comes from her father being a radio broadcaster as I gather from the discussion above.

      Her parroting of groupthink Identity Politics positions also makes her seem bereft of original thought. She just takes standard SJW Leftist ideas and drives them to bizarre extremes. Are these her real convictions? If not, is she promoting these views in an attempt to ingratiate herself with the literati? It shows the worrying poverty of thought on the Left of politics today.

      If they are her real convictions then, as I said above, she is a crank. I guess those with a loud-enough voice and a platform in the media are those who are most noticed these days, though.

      I also agree that the birthday card tweet is truly offensive. It gives more insight into Philippa Moore and her parents than her book does, in a way she has clearly not intended.

      Cheers. Thanks for reading.

      1. Hello, I’ve read The Latte Years as well. To me it had a few useful moments but a lot of the book felt very self-indulgent with endless discussions about holidays and rants against internet trolls.

        I’ve just looked through Philippa Moore’s Twitter account and I agree, she is a fruitloop. 🙁

        I didn’t get as much of a sense of this from the book, probably because it doesn’t try to engage with political topics as much. That said, a lot of the book makes more sense now in light of the comments above about her mother being an overbearing bully and her father being in the limelight. That kind of environment growing up wouldn’t help someone with underlying mental health problems. To that extent, I genuinely pity her.

        However at some point people have to take responbiilty for their own actions. Philippa Moore’s Twitter pontificating actually reminds me of something I recently read about Adolf Hitler – he’d always go for the most extreme solution to any issue he encountered. Philippa seems like that, too, albeit a Leftist version – introduce censorship for books that are not politically correct, treat [white male] people as guilty until proven innocent in courts of law, etc. She seems to see the world in extreme black and white terms with the Letists/progressives always right and conservatives, especially white males, always wrong, to the point where she seems out of touch with the real world. Reading a whole bunch of Tweets in a row felt like entering a bizarre alternative reality. She has been really taken for a ride by the whole SJW crowd too. She clearly isn’t over the mental issues. Yes, it is bizarre too she is so fixated on her Trolls yet she has no problem with the Australian Labour Party’s policies losing her parents there house when she was wrong. She is still a one-eyed Labour supporter! Why so vengeful against one yet so forgiving and blindly adhering to another. Also why so much support for Aboriginal sovereignty but opposition to Scottish independence and support for BetterTogether? She also has no problem with her English parents-in-law exploiting the Welsh and undermining their culture by moving there on retirement. I bet they didn’t try to learn the Welsh language. Aboriginal culture is all important and worth protecting at all costs though. I just can’t fathom the double standard.

        Anyway, it is very sad to read her mixed-up world views and obvious mental health issues that are obviously continuing to this day, judging from her Tweets and journalistic articles

    2. You can even tell from Philippa Moore’s book that her mother is very pushy and overbearing by the way she forces Philippa to undertake ballroom dancing lessons and reads her private journal behind her back. What kind of mother would do that?! Sounds like she was pressuring her daughters to marry young as well. She seems to be the root cause of at least some of their neuroses. 🙁

  6. Hi, I’m an Aussie.

    I read the Latte Years recently. I’m not sure what to make of the book – it does have helpful tips but it seems overall quite… selfish and hedonistic. It is all about *self*-improvement but there is nothing in there about doing things for others. Philippa Moore finds herself through overseas trips, new experiences and so on but how much effort was put into saving her marriage? Did her husband really hold her back that much?

    I’m glad the book didn’t really touch on her politics at all. I’ve been looking through Philippa Moore’s Twitter feed to see if it was as leftist as you were all saying. It has confirmed what you said. I don’t think I’ve ever read any social justic warrior or political correctness wannabe as extreme and bias as her.

    First though to address the point raise by Peta, yes Welsh and Scottish have a more solid case for independence than Australian Aborigines because they were loose tribal groupings. They considered they belonged to the land rather than owners of the land. They were nomadic neolithic tribes and were not at the stage of establishing sovereign states. That is where the (controversial!) British concept of Terra Nullius came from. Hence, I think it is valid to support Scottish and Welsh independence but oppose ideas like an Aboriginal Parliament, indigenous courts with tribal justice and the Aboriginal flag and so on. It is harder to see things in reverse though as Philippa apparently does – support Aboriginal sovereignty but not Scottish or Welsh independence.

    With regard to Philippa Moore’s broader focus on Aboriginal rights, I do have some links to the Aboriginal community: my Aunt through marriage is an Aborigine and she wants absolutely nothing to do with the Aboriginal welfare claims. She believes in working honestly for a living. She is also adamant the ‘Stolen Generations’ claims are a fraud. Children were taken from drunken and child abusing parents. They would be dead now if they were not in foster care yet they turn around and sue the government for being ‘stolen’. Two kind, compassionate people I know who have worked in Aboriginal remote communities say the same thing. One noted they were naive to the scale of fraud that could be perpetrated until they discovered the Aboriginal welfare industries and the stolen generations scams.Sadly this rort does nothing to help actual Aborigines in real need.

    Some of Philippa Moore’s other recent Tweets that struck me as particularly bizarre are these ones:

    (retweeted):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LordofWentworth/status/1292986169156702208

    So we should ask hard questions of Dutton and Scott Morrison but not of Daniel Andrews? Yet whose state has the catastrophic COVID problem?!

    Pro-gay stuff (fairly run of the mill but how about letting Polish people decide how their own democracy should be run?)

    (retweeted)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TJ_Knight/status/1291371460473294848

    https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1277210948416094208

    Wow, Philippa Moore thinks the two girls in Queensland are “persecuted” because of their skin colour. No, dear, it was because they went into the state after coming back form a hotspot where they held an illegal party, lied on their passports, were members of a criminal gang and knowingly undertook actions that could have spread the pandemic. Unbelievable!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/democracycolour/status/1289042027221409792

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DebKilroy/status/1288690999972093956

    She also thinks the people in public housing were being “persecuted” by being locked down. No, dear, it was to protect the general public.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1279981795077787651

    Philippa seems like a typical bourgeouis/Chardonnay socialist with absolutely no idea about how the working class really think or what their values are yet she is so prepared to pontificate on their behalf. Her comments mixing sport with politiics (a pet hate of mine) which I have not published here drive me crazy as well.

    She does seem to genuinely have a fragile grip on reality. I’ve no idea if that is because of her identity politics outlook or if she is not fully rational. It is quite frightening. Reading her Tweets is making me reassess her book, though – was her husband really that bad? Were her trolls, former friends and school bullies really that awful too or was it all part of her mindset and mental fragility? I really don’t know now. What I do know is that her tweets other than the identity politics stuff seem to promote self-indulgence, a holier than thou attitude and a self-serving lifestyle. It has been a wake-up call that there is no true happiness to be found on her pathway.

    1. Hello, I’ve been following this thread for some time. It is finally time to weigh in with my two cents’ worth. I once knew the Moore family. I was good friends with Liz Graham (nee Liz Moore) when we were younger. As has been discussed above, Liz was a really nice person until she went off the rails in her late teens/early twenties. I remember one time I went to speak to her at an event and she deliberately turned her back on me to speak to some of her new friends. I have never felt so utterly humiliated as I was that day. 🙁

      I lost touch with her after that. I know she married the electrician Gene Graham, with whom she had already had children. I know later Liz was working at Saint Therese’s Primary School in Moonah and then at John Paul II Primary School on the Eastern Shore as a kindergarten/prep teacher. Whether that means she now has some kind of religious faith, I don’t know.

      With regard to the subject of this discussion, Philippa Moore, though, I didn’t know her that well but I met her several times. I didn’t really know the two younger sisters in the family. I knew the mother, Sylvia, and I actually got on reasonable well with her but I can definitely see why a lot of people don’t like her. Some people in our group called her “Mrs Negative” behind her back. I don’t know to what extent she is the cause of her children’s issues, though.

      On the occasions I met Philippa Moore, sometimes she came across as really friendly and caring but other times she seemed standoffish and aloof and wouldn’t speak to you. The sad thing is I once had a very bad problem in my personal life that was causing me a huge amount of pain. For various reasons, Philippa Moore was the one person I could have turned to for advice and help with it. I honestly did like her as a person and I respected her opinions. She was the one person who could have helped me and advised me with this deeply painful personal problem. Because she was so standoffish, though, I felt like I couldn’t build the rapport with her yo confide in her, so I never told her about my issue.

      However, I didn’t realise she was going through so many personal problems and psychological issues of her own at that time until I read The Latté Years, so I guess it really teaches me I shouldn’t judge people. It is a real shame, though, because I would have liked to have been friends with her and I feel we could have both helped and guided each other with the problems we were going through.

      Admittedly, she was always mildly eccentric (in her tweets nowadays she says she has so many books that she even had a pile stacked in the loo when she was living in her London flat!) I am worried now though that her extreme identity politics has given her a warped her sense of reality, judging from her histrionic Tweets and her journalistic articles. I also worry about her Tweets endorsing things like the Dark Mofo pagan/occult arts festival in Hobart. Her politics is so dangerous and extreme, blinded as she is by seeing everything through the toxic identity politics paradigm. I do worry about her mental health. I only hope her second husband, Tom (whom I have not met), is supporting her and not feeding her this toxicity. His owns Tweets seem fairly extreme left too. The sad thing is that they are spreading these views on to others like a contagion through their social media posts and her journalism. I just hope her outlook improves with time as I sincerely wish her only the very best in life and wish to remember her as she was on those few occasions when she showed kindness and warmth and empathy towards me.

  7. Here are some things I forgot to mention earlier.

    Liz Graham had a really bad stress fracture in her back when she was in her teens. Ee all supported her through it and she was such an appreciative, kind and empathetic girl, it was really hurtful and sad when she changed, abandoned sime of her old friends and ended up in a bad way morally. I hope she is in a better place now spiritually.

    One thing I didn’t make really clear before was that I feel a certain degree of guilt regarding Philippa Moore. I really wish I had confided my terrible problem to her. She might then have talked to me about her issues and we could have worked through them, avoiding some of the pain she relates in her book. I just didn’t know her well enough and there wasn’t that rapport there. I wish I had pushed through her standoffish, aloof behaviour a bit more and earned her trust. My issue was so personal though I would have found it difficult to confide but for some reason I instinctively trusted Philippa, even though I didn’t know her that well.

    I feel so sorry for her now, being sucked into a vortex of ridiculous identity politics, militant cynical feminism, extreme leftism, pagan interests like Dark Mofo and Yoga and selfish living. I wish I still knew her so I could talk to her and – more importantly – listen to her. I just hope her second husband, Tom, can support her and guide her but he seems to be very much wrapped up in feminism and identity politics himself so I hope it is not him who is acting as the bad influence, goading her on down this path. Anyway, I simply wish her all the best in life and wish I could have been a friend to lean on in her dark period. I am probably frustrated too that she never reached out to me because she knew I had some skills and knowledge that could have helped her achieve some of the life aims she later achieved in her book.

    For some reason, I still feel certain she would have probably helped me out to the best of her ability if I had confided my problem to her or she would have at least pointed me in a better direction. Like I said, I always instinctively trusted her, even though we didn’t really know each other well or develop a friendship.

    That’s all. God bless.

    1. Thanks for this discussion. I am a former Tasmanian so I hoped the book would talk more about people and places I remember as well as its “self-help” focus on Philippa Moore’s personal journey. Unfortunately, it lacks that Tasmanian “atmosphere” in my opinion.

      Thanks also for indicating she is Richard Moore’s (of the Cooke & Moore breakfast radio show on 7HO FM) daughter. The book makes more sense when you know that context.

      To be honest, I had a really strong negative reaction to the book. It seemed very superficial in places and I felt a revulsion for some sections, especially the use of the f-word and also the sexually explicit discussions. The way she spoke to her first husband in some of their arguments was revolting. I know this book is about her journey from an happy life as an obese, unfulfilled young woman trapped in an unhappy first marriage but the way she goes about depicting things, she is airing too much of her dirty linen in public.

      It is interesting that many of you who know her say she is a bully while “Wildflower” had a different view and could see her kind, empathetic side. To be honest, I could see traces of both facets of her personality in her book. Some parts of it seem very hypocritical, too – she craves love and acceptance from others but at the same time she seems to be very judgemental of the people she meets. Reading through her blog and Tweets, I see this same judgmentalism, especially of white males. She is prejudiced and racist while at the same time decrying others for their prejudice and racism.

      I can’t remember now whether it was in her book or her blog or a tweet but she also commented on men she encountered at uni who were unattractive because they had nervous tics – at the very same time that she is lamenting people judging her because of her obesity instead of looking at the love-starved person inside! I think it is exactly this kind of hypocrisy from some women that has led to the rise of the “incel” and “forever alone” online communities of angry young men who are sick of being mocked and rejected gor superficial reasons. Her attitude is of the type that is fueling these communities.

      Philippa Moore does come across as very self-entitled in the book and on her blog, especially when she laments early on that she had never been overseas. I know plenty of very hard working, honest Aussies who have never had a chance to go overseas in their lives – poor Aussie working-class battlers who lacked the money or opportunities through no fault of their own, yet here she is lamenting her lack of travel when she was in her twenties! Even if her father was a relatively well-off radio host, raising four daughters would take a lot of income I imagine, anyway and even after that many young couples cannot afford to travel. After all, it was Philippa Moore’s choice to marry young.

      Also, the way she describes it in the book, as soon as she falls out of the young love/initial infatuation stage, the marriage falls apart. She expects to stay wildly in love forever, yet we all know love alone is not the foundation of a marriage. Admittedly, the way she describes it, she seems to have made more effort than her husband in turning up at marriage counsellor appointments and so forth but really neither side seems to put that much effort in. Really she comes across as a spoilt, utterly selfish brat who wants a “fulfilling” career and life of travel despite knowing her husband’s. different desires. Again, she chose to marry him yet. She fails to support him emotionally while he seeks work in Melbourne and criticises his lack of initiative in their profanity-laced arguments, there for all to read. You do end up feeling somewhat sorry for the husband. He has no voice in the book so you cannot hear his side of the story and his wife is failing to support him though the richer and poorer, through good times and bad. This is apparently the first time Philippa has faced the consequences of long-term youth unemployment that so many Aussies have endured. At times, she is condemning herself with her own words, though this is clearly mot her intention. Perhaps it is a subconscious admission of guilt on her part?

      As I said, I had a very strong negative reaction to this book. Honestly, even though Philippa Moore and I are about the same age, at times I felt like I wanted to put her across my knees and give her a good, hard smacking for being such a spoiled, overindulged brat.

      If I ever have a son I hope he’ll have the commonsense to avoid such a self-obsessed, selfish woman.

      At the same time, though, I recognise that her ego, though large, is very fragile. She does seem to have a kind of persecution complex too, lashing out at school bullies, internet trolls and so on. Why not just ignore them? To go on SBS to complain does seem very extreme. Indeed, the very fact that she felt compelled to do so tells me the trolls have won in her case because she is still obsessing over them.

      Furthermore, white males are a target for vitriol in her tweets, just as her ex-husband is in her book. It seems her fragile ego makes her want to lash out histrionically at everyone she perceives as an “enemy”.

      With regard to her politically-themed social justice tweets, it is hard to know if she really believes what she is saying or if she is just trying to ingratiate herself with the literati or academic in-crowds, as some have suggested. I thought Donald Trump’s tweets were bizarre until I saw hers! She is the same thing, just at the other end of the political spectrum.

      I have no idea if they reflect a psychiatric problem or if she is just trapped in an echo chamber with other extreme left identity politics tweeters and Guardianistas. Her tweets are comparable to some of the more extreme and bizarre Guardian “Comment is Free” opinion pieces I’ve read online though, and equally unhinged from any kind of reality. It seems to me that many of these SJWs egg each other on to more and more extreme positions in their echo chambers. They are fine for talking big around the kitchen table or down at the pub but dangerous extremism whenever they are voiced in parliament.

      In fact, I am becoming more and more frightened that loony left-wing extremists like Philippa Moore will produce a massive far right backlash sooner rather than later as people turn around and rail against her favoured minorities such as gays. More and more of the silent white majority that I encounter have had enough of being bullied through political correctness, identity politics and feminism. The pendulum will swing hard and fast. It is coming soon.

  8. This discussion made me curious about Latte Years, so I’ve had a look at the book to make up my own mind.

    Having done so, I largely agree with what people are saying here. Philippa Moore is really hard to relate to. Maybe that is because I haven’t been through a divorce myself but more likely it is just that she seems so… spoilt and flighty. Perhaps that facet of her personality, and the eating
    disorder she documents comes from the pressure of having a local celebrity for her father.

    A lot of the lengthy descriptions of holidays and complaints about trolls in the book seemed really self indulgent, too.

    I could understand what people were saying about her mother spoiling her – letting her get married so young is prime evidence of this. Telling the whole world about her arguments with husband no. 1 as her marriage fell apart isn’t… classy at all either. (And, yes, the foul language was disgusting too.)

    There is also immoral behaviour (a one night stand, remarriage after divorce, etc). The sexual immorality in the book says a lot about her parents and the way they raised her.

    That said, the book was an easy, light read. The chatty style was a bit obtrusive but it had an easygoing style, even when she was describing some bizarre and disturbing moments (such as her claims of being sexual propositioned by an older girl at school and the hippie with the gun and the sock puppet on a bus in San Francisco.) Unfortunately the tone is also overly emotional in places and, yes, she does come across as “histrionic” as other people have said above. She is telling us how she wants us to feel. Show, don’t tell. Because of her use of over-wrought emotional language, parts of the book make it feel, perhaps unfairly, like she is writing a propaganda piece against her ex-husband and her alleged “trolls”. There iscan rlement of vengeance and spite in her writing. She is clearly the type who holds onto grudges. That said, the part about the trolls was sad since they were all purportedly good friends she had made in the Melbourne females’ blogging community who then suddenly turned on her – allegedly for no reason – and proceeded to attack her and her family. It just shows how dangerous it is to try to make friends over the internet.

    I did a search and I saw written elsewhere a serious complaint though – Philippa and her husband tried to get revenge on someone they *thought* was trolling them but the person they accused (no name was given) was seriously ill at the time and their father had cancer, had been in ICU on life support and was on chemo. If I undestand things correctly, the person caught out Schoon trying to do something to them and discovered it was because Schoon had thought they were a trollbut decided not to take any action. It shows how risky it is to try to take matters into your own hands without knowing the facts.

    Anyway, one thing I thought about Philippa Moore’s early life was that maybe she’d have been better off in a government school. She clearly wasn’t happy in her first all-girls school so it might have been better for her if she hadn’t won the scholarship to the superior school. A working class government school might have made her a bit more… grounded… and given her more… perspective… on her problems which were obviously a very real, very big deal to her and clearly gave her all kinds of psychological hang-ups. Maybe if she had spent more time with kids who had really severe problems she might have realised she was relatively well-off with a supportive family, strong academic ability, financial security through her dad’s radio work and so forth. She strikes me as somebody who is very intelligent but also very emotionally immature and lacking in… good old-fashioned commonsense. A working class government school would have either helped her to really overcome her problems or it would have exacerbated them and left her a nervous wreck if she had encountered full-scale school bullying for the first time.

    Reading through her tweets, yep, it is definitely political correctness gone mad. Again a government school might have helped her actually relate to the working class, encounter Aboriginal kids and understand their real world problems and help her to understand why the majority of poorer people vote for right wing conservatives. Instead she is just preaching away to other liberal elites just like herself in her little Twitter echo chamber. She. Just. Doesn’t. Get. It. At. All.

    It is interesting that feminists like Philippa Moore all oppose violence against females – unless that female is still in the womb. Philippa Moore, of course, wholeheartedly supports the abortion industry as a “woman’s right to choose”. The double standards are breathtaking. Apparently Philippa is also a member of Mensa, which just goes to show that one can be intelligent without having a single shred of wisdom.

    I am also very disturbed these “liberals” all want warmonger Biden to win over Trump. Trump is a crank but Biden has Iraq, Syria, etc. on his grimy hands – so much for liberals –
    even Philippa’s beloved Guardian admits that:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/17/joe-biden-role-iraq-war

    https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-biden-support-wars-in-iraq-serbia-syria-and-libya/19257083/?version=amp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/joe-biden-iraq-war-history.html

    Do they really think Biden will be better than Trump? So far, the “only” real war mongering from Trump has been the potential for creating a new US civil war, though I have recently read some American comentators who feel that is inevitable, no matter who wins the election. Let us hope that prophecy doesn’t come true. I think the worst case scenario would be some kind of insurrection or civil war and the winner of the presidential election – whoever that may be – trying to unify the nation against an external “enemy” such as China. Let us not forget it was Obama who turned Philippa Moore’s own Australia into an advance US base against China in his “pivot to Asia” and who increased extrajudicial drone killings. The Left is just as discredited as the Right in my eyes.

    Also there are the documented incidents of Biden bullying voters when asked hard questions, such as those pertaining to his son’s role in the Ukraine. Philippa hates bullies but she is, of course, wholeheartedly behind Biden.

    There is an element of violence in their Tweets, too: Tom Schoon endorsed Antifa, of all groups, in a Tweet and, in one of her Tweets, Philippa praises a WWII female spy who strangled a Nazi with their bare hands, so I guess they think violence is okay if it comes from the Left. 🙁

    Furthermore, one of Tom Schoon’s cartoons showed a certain right wing politician decapitated. It was so disturbing I felt tempted to report him to the police, so there is violence in their hearts.

    Philippa Moore wants her book to help and aid others but, honestly, the result is the blind leading the blind.

    Since this review has been fairly negative about her book, I want to end with the fact that, despite everything I have said, I did come away sort of liking Philippa.
    Having read the book and her tweets, although I find Philippa very hard to relate to, I do feel like I know her a bit and I really wish I could befriend her and Liz Graham, because they clearly need caring people in their lives and, more importantly, just an ear to listen to them and empathise with them about their problems and give them some support. I think Philippa seems like someone who needs compassion rather than rebukes. She seems like someone who needs empathy and craves attention from friends she can trust. The book is her attempt to help others who have been through similar problems to herself. She is trying to show them how she remade her life. It just seems a pity that her remade life seems so… materialistic and superficial.

    Parts of the book do seem like she is still crying out for help herself though, that she is seeking sympathy and a shoulder to cry on and someone to guide her. As someone above said, she seems to have a very fragile ego, so she needs friends who can help her gain strength. (I have probably already been too judgemental about her in this post.) I just wish I could reach out to her and help her. She probably wouldn’t take kindly to unsolicited advice from a stranger though.

    Instead, I will do something even more important and effective: I’d like to pray for Philippa Moore and her family since they do seem lost and need help. I will sincerly pray for them that they find Christ and are converted. I can see empathy in Philippa as User “Wildflower” has pointed out. I can see it in her tweets for Aborigines, racial minorities and the marginalised. It is just that she is going about things in such a naive, gullible way. She is obviously sensitive to the point of neurosis as well about trolls, bullies and her need for love, yet I can also see her bullying side in the tweets, attacking men, criticising all and sundry, ripping into her ex-husband in the book, seeking tevenge on minor slights by trolls and holding on to bitter life experiences like her unhappy school years and her divorce: Dear Sovereign and Loving Heavenly Father, I pray she can let go of these part hurts. I agree with other people that the birthday card was deeply offensive, so I pray her parents and her new husband come to Christ as well. I also hope and pray she can obtain some good friends who are trustworthy confidants who will give her good advice to help her through life’s challenges.

    I also pray for her sister, Liz Graham. It is so sad to read Liz Graham was previously a fornicator and had pregnancies outside of wedlock, and mistreated her friend, too. I found her Facebook page and I saw she takes the Lord’s name in vain on some of her posts there, too. It is very sad. 🙁 Hopefully Liz has come to some knowledge of Christ as a Roman Catholic and repents of her past sins. I now pray that Liz builds on her new knowledge of Christ and leaves Rome for a less heretical and corrupt and idolatrous Christian denomination, where she can grow to maturity in faith and come to the understanding that salvation is from faith alone. Hopefully Rome will be a stepping stone to better things for her in a Lutheran or Calvinistic/Presbyterian/Puritan/Biblically-faithful denomination for her spiritual welfare and salvation. Who knows? Maybe God will make Liz instrumental to bring her sister and her parents to faith. Let us pray that is so. I sincerely mean that. I do think Liz Graham and Philippa Moore are somewhat lost and need guidance to find spiritual life and Liz, in particular, seems to be receptive towards the Gospel of our Lird Jesus Christ. I hope and pray they are both saved in the end and have fulfilling, loving Christ-centred lives while they are here on earth. I want nothing but the best for them. I pray Philippa Moore and Liz Graham will feel the presence of Christ in their lives and that He will protect them and guide them and keep them safe, spititually and phydically, and reveal His love to them.

    Dear Sovereign Father in Heaven,
    I earnestly pray that both of these girls and their sisters, husbands and parents have happy, Christ-filled lives free from the burden of their past mistakes and come to saving faith. Through Christ Your Son, Amen.

    To change the subject, some of you mentioned Wales above. Well, to go back to the original topic of this discussion, I saw that Rod Liddle was in trouble in Wales recently:

    https://nation.cymru/news/sunday-times-columnist-criticised-for-joking-that-the-welsh-language-causes-covid-19-to-spread-quicker/

    I don’t think I am curious enough to read his book as well. Philippa Moore’s tome was enough for me at the moment. I will get to Liddle some time later on.

    1. “I am also very disturbed these “liberals” all want warmonger Biden to win over Trump. Trump is a crank but Biden has Iraq, Syria, etc. on his grimy hands – so much for liberals…

      Do they really think Biden will be better than Trump? ”

      Exactly! Trump may or may not be insane but I will always be grateful to him for derailing the Project for a New American Century if nothing else. He has [temporarily] halted the expansion of America’s Middle Eastern oil wars as well. If/when Biden is elected next month, it will be back to “murder as usual”, I fear.

      That is a lovely prayer for these lost souls, too. May God grant it an answer.

  9. G’day,

    I just finished reading The Latte Years. Thanks for this discussion about the book. I read it because I hoped it might give me some advice for dealing with a personal issue. It did touch on the issue but didn’t go into enough depth to help me adequately, unfortunately. The authoress, Philippa Moore, does come across quite personable at times in the book but, at other moments, she does come across as a bit of a spoilt brat, so I can see where other reviewers are coming from.

    I have just read through her Twitter feed, though, as others have looked at. My goodness, there are some crazy, extremist politically correct views in there. It is loony even by loony leftist standards. She is a bit of a nutter. 🙁

    None of this came across to me in the book, perhaps because it doesn’t touch on politics at all. Some of the things Philippa Moore is saying on Twitter are really shocking though – it shows how much the left has declined these days. For a supposedly intelligent person she doesn’t seem to have much in the way of original thought on there: she is just regurgitating groupthink and taking it to more extreme levels.

    What really annoys me though is when these identity politics types whinge about the historical “privilege” of white males. Which white males exactly? The Scottish, Welsh or Irish, exploited by the English for so long? The Czechs or the Poles, oppressed by the Nazis and then by the Communists? The Covenanters, Waldensians, Albigensians, Huguenots, Armenians, Exulanten and Jews of Europe, all of whom faced horrific persecution and genocide? The Prussian peasants, under the rule of the Junkers? The Russian serfs, oppressed by the Stars and then by the Bolsheviks? The cockneys, living in some of the worst slum conditions on earth in the East End of London up until after the Second World War. That doesn’t leave many White males who were truly “privileged”. I also agree that the comment about feminists having no regard for exterminating unborn baby girls: spot on!

    It seems like Philippa Moore is projecting her own feelings of guilt onto all whites: after all, she really is privileged if her father is a celebrity Radio guy, she attended a private school and is now doing a ph. D. She seem to also be projecting her bad experiences with her first husband onto all men. If her mother is as overbearing as you all say and “wore the pants in her family” when Philippa was growing up, that would explain a lot too.

    I guess it does show she at least has compassion for the poor and minorities, even though she is going about it in a very misguided way. She is obviously very idealistic too; it is just that her ideals of a politically correct world are repugnant and are completely out of touch with reality and, especially with the views of the working class and outer suburbanites whom she ( arrogantly) blames for voting against their own best interests in re-electing the Morrison Government.

    I also found one phrase in the book very telling: it was where she talks about how she and all of her sisters were constantly craving attention. Perhaps they felt a little neglected by their parents or it might explain why she is so publicity-hungry now as an adult. All the other insecurities she documents in the book obviously wouldn’t have helped her either. As has been noted, I am uncomfortable with the smutty sex in the books and the recreations of dialogue from arguments with her ex-husband. She bears her soul a little too much here, in my humble opinion. For someone with her education level and skills, I don’t think the book is particularly well written either, though that is subjective. It just seems a bit too informal and artless. It is an easy, quick read though with its chatty style and asides to the audience.

    At the end of the book, she claims to have found herself but, honestly, from reading her tweets, she still strikes me as very much being a “little girl lost”.

    As others have said though, despite all of this, she comes across as a very likeable person. Some of you have mentioned reaching out to her and I can understand this impulse because I feel empathy for her too. You feel like you know her a bit from reading the book. I would be very cautious about actually doing this though for a number of reasons:

    1. She is obviously Super sensitive (which can be a strength in some people). The way she clings to the fact she was trolled years ago on her blog and had such a fixation on a school bullying g incident that she thought she needed hypnotherapy to block the memory(!) shows how sensitive she is. She could easily take things the wrong way or twist them. I’d hate to be falsely accused of being a troll or bully by her. (For what it is worth, I was bullied far, far worse than her at school over a very prolonged period but I have mostly got over it and moved on in life).

    2. Despite the claims in her book that she has overcome her problems, her tweets are telling that she still has issues. They are so extreme.

    3. Also as others have noted, she and her husband seem to have a pathological hatred of conservative politics, to the extent he supports Antifa and drew a repugnant cartoon along with all of her well-discussed views above. Some of that stuff on their Twitter feeds is definitely borederline illegal/hatespeech. Weird she is still so much in lockstep with the left after Hawke-Keating’s bungling cost her family their home and ran with UK Tory deregulation and privatisation policies(!)

    At any rate, it is sad because I do feel a kind of affection for Philippa Moore having read the book and got to “know her” a bit from learning of her life but I think her emotional/psychological instability and… immaturity, I guess… would make me fearful of reaching out to her in any way over the internet to help her in case she mistakenly or twistedly took it as “trolling” or “bullying” and made a false accusation. I think she is a potentially dangerous person who could easily misconstrue attempts to help her. She is also liable to take criticism too personally and lash out at people, given the pathological hatred of her ex-husband, bullies, trolls and critics on display in her writings and the allegations she has bullied others herself in the posts above. Best to leave it to her own family to look after her and hopefully guide her in a good direction. I am not on social media myself anyway, so I can’t contact her. In my humble opinion though she does need some psychological help or counseling though, which is so sad. I can see there is an empathetic, idealistic kind-hearted girl in her but one who is very sensitive and damaged and prone to lashing out at what she perceives to be injustices in a world that doesn’t live up to her expectations and constantly wounds her sensitive soul. My heart earnestly goes out to her while at the same time I utterly repudiate her extremist, loony left views. I just wish her well and hope she finds healing and a good path in life. You can tell there is a good person inside her who just can’t cope. All my love to her. She is obviously an altruistic person in that she has written the book about her problems in an attempt to help others going through similar experiences. Perhaps she needs to be more outward looking and less insular and do some charity work – that might help her understand the needs of minorities like Aborigines and the poor better and help her gain more perspective on her own issues. (This isn’t to belittle her problems either – they were obviously very painful to her and suffering is suffering,, no matter what).

    At any rate, Philippa Moore is clearly a very damaged person. Although her views are appalling and quite frightening and dangerous, I want to reiterate I felt a lot of empathy for her too and some connection. Philippa is a loveable human being and I wish I could reach out with my heart to her or even put my arms around her. She is a vulnerable idealistic dreamer and clearly needs a lot of love and support in her life. I wish her all the best and it has been a sad journey to read of all her problems. I send her my deepest love.

    As for the original subject of this post, Rod Liddle, I really don’t know him. He definitely isn’t a household name here in Australia. His book definitely sounds like it would appeal to me though, so I will check it out! Take care and cheers. Really glad I found this site.

    1. I read TLY recently, too. I agree with the other commenters that it is average-ish at best. I neither encourage nor do I discourage people from reading the book.

      Having said that, I have just been looking through Philippa’s tweets and she is completely craaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzy!!! Seriously, she has the most “woke” outlook I have ever come across. Again, as others have noted, Philippa doesn’t really engage with politics in TLY, so you don’t realise from that book just how extreme her views are.

      I have recently been reading the Noble Liar book (about the BBC) and Philippa reminds me of the elitists in that book who won’t listen to the opinions of others – stuck in an echo chamber for too long and lacking the humility to listen to anyone less learned than themselves. If nothing else, these two tweets prove what a huge opinion of herself Philippa has:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1309994781678792704

      https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/1275200160880967680

      Some of her latest re-tweets are attacking Rowling. She has to jump on the bandwahon of course:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/AncientLitDude/status/1307798800011059202

      and supporting late term abortions (this one originated with the Deputy Chair of the ABC, no less):

      https://mobile.twitter.com/kirstinferguson/status/1314382867259039745

      Again, referring to the Noble Liar, many feminists today cannot conceive that there is a whole branch of feminism opposed to abortions. After all, feminists’ stance towards life has always been dubious- it was the feminists like the Pankhursts who started the white feather campaign to shame men into fighting in WW1.

      Philippa is also offering tweets in tribute to the late feminists Susan Ryan and Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Again, on pro-life issues, RBG did much to push abortion rights forward in the US and allow women into have active roles in the military.

      Anyway, I thought Dr Kirsten Birkett’s book, Essence of Feminism, had just about killed off feminism in Australia, after she exposed just how intellectually bankrupt the whole movement was. Philippa seems to be well behind the times. I would love to see someone the facial expressions of someone as woke as Philippa were she to read that book, especially as it was written by a female who started out with the intention of writing a defence of feminism! I doubt Philippa could even try to write a convincing rebuttal to Birkett’s book.

      In a much older Tweet, evidently before Ellen fell from grace, Philippa attacks a “homophobic” pastor for expressing mainstream Christian views in a critique of the television star:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/philippa_moore/status/555502667930554368

      What I probably find most concerning though is that Philippa is basically a mouthpiece for elitist global culture, merely echoing the more extreme impulses of liberal ruling culture (as expressed, again, in the Noble Liar book). She clearly has influence in a number of spheres: as a prize-winning blogger, as a social media influencer, as a freelance journalist, and in literati and academic circles, the latter two of which having long been dominated by the Left. Her father’s influence in media circles through his radio career undoubtedly helps her too. Elitists like Philippa claim they want to help the poor and various “marginalised”/”oppressed” special interest groups but, in reality, they seek to control them by using the censoriousness political correctness to limit what can be said and thought, since what the working class poor really think is often diametrically opposed to the liberal keftist culture of the progressive elitist class. Philippa and her ilk do virtue-dignalling by speaking up on behalf of the poor but they do not want the poor to speak for themselves because they would hate what they would hear if they really stopped to listen. They would rather keep the working class locked up in a gilded cage. This is a far cry from the Old Labor of, say, George Lansbury in Britain, or John Curtin or Joseph Lyons in Australia, who you sense really did genuinely want to better the lot of the poor and actually listen to them. The Philippa Moores of this world fear and disdain the culture of the Australian outer suburbanites and make no effort to listen to them.

      Likewise, in his latest Tweet, Philippa’s husband, Tom Schoon, rejects democracy because the Brexit vote didn’t go his way:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/tomschoon/status/1315948627462770688

      The working class majority is no longer to be trusted with a voice, in his view! This is the same person who endorses Antifa.

      Just to end this very serious post on a lighter note, here is a little bit of weirdness. According to this book I found, Tom Schoon was !allegedly once caught up in ghostly events at a supposedly-“haunted” theatre in Wycombe!

      https://books.google.com.au/books?id=sOY6AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT70&dq=tom+schoon+wycombe&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPvaCxgKfsAhX78HMBHTc_DAkQ6AEwAHoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q=tom%20schoon%20wycombe&f=false

      Very strange people indeed.

      1. All of these tweets are terrifying. I hope these people are just outliers. If not, and the liberal elite really are becoming this authoritarian, society is in huge danger. TYhe talk of censorship, guilt until innocence is proven and rejection of democracy show just how totalitarian the mindset of some of these leftists has become. Truly frightening.

        On a happier note, I just had a look at the story of that supposedly-“haunted” theatre. Schoon and his friend must have been smoking something very funny that night!

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