In this weeks Quantum we follow up on abortion – including Kamala Harris, Abortion in India, Feedback, Cameron Fraser on evangelicals and abortion, Keswick Convention and Abortion; Country of the Week – Germany; Banning X in Brazil; France arrests Durov; Nuclear war with Russia; Queering Nuclear Weapons; A man wins womens Paralympics; Bank of England goes Woke; Scottish Womens Charity accepts men as workers; Swinney gives up on Conversion therapy; Gretchen Wittmer; Nigerian Massacres; Gaza hostages executed; Canadian coalition falls apart; Wolves in India’ , Canadian Forest fires; funding climate change and stopping winter fuel payments in the UK; Windfarms on Shetland; and Coldplays new ‘Christian’ song. with music from Del Amitri, Leonard Cohen, Kraftwerk, Rammstein, Oasis, Coldplay, and the Wartburg Choir.
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If this presentation is accurate , shame , shame shame on the organisers of the Keswick Conversion. There are many smaller conventions which now fly under the Keswick banner , one , of which I am blessed to attend. Organisers of such events now must think , as to what Keswick truly stands for !
Hi, you will be reassured to know that the story isn’t as David seems to have picked up. There’s a bit more of a back story to this. I’ve shared a link in another comment below which may help
Surely another nail in the SNP coffin and its goals:
http://www.thenational.scot/news/24555117.snp-members-vote-enshrine-right-abortion-constitution
Well doneDavid for calling out the hypocrisy which abounds. They keep telling us that we live in democratic countries but they are clamping down on free speech everywhere. Our new Labour Government in England is in power because people refused to vote for the lying Conservatives who said they would control immigration and our borders after we left the EU. Immigration is out of control – I don’t recognise my country anymore.
I was born in a northern industrial city 74 years ago and there were no foreigners apart from Jewish refugees from the holocaust.
Now these northern towns like Bradford have the Islamic call to prayer over them. Our young people are being sexualised and gender confused. The recent riots which erupted after the killing of young children has been taken as an opportunity to frighten us into submission, using draconian prison sentences like 3 years for pushing a wheelie bin at a police officer and abusive language. Starmer is a WEF stooge and is planning to take us back into the EU.
Hi David,
Did you see this somewhat disappointing comment about abortion from NT Wright?
https://x.com/WokePreacherTV/status/1831744357826801817
Paul
Thanks….it is incredibly disappointing to see such shabby reasoning without any evidence….
David, I would as a matter of urgency ask you to remove this podcast. You issue a strong attack on the Keswick Convention based on one version of a story. In fact CBR UK themselves provide their own more detailed version of the narrative. You can get more background here.
https://faithroot.com/2024/08/10/24184/ . We should be careful not to jump the inflammatory judgement without getting the fuller picture. Could I suggest that the podcast is taken down and that segment edited out. I’m sure you will have your own views and want to comment based on the fuller picture. As well as my initial article, you will see that I’ve followed up with more engagement further on Faithroots. You may also find the Building Jerusalem podcast helpful. This episode has been deeply saddening. If you want to discuss further please feel free to email me.
Thanks but I won’t be removing the podcast. I actually saw the other version and it doesn’t contradict what I said. It just explains why Keswick did what they did. I don’t agree with what they did. There is no urgency to have it removed. If Keswick are happy with what they did then that’s up to them to justify what they did. It would be good to know that their press release included their opposition to abortion and their decrial of the murder of babies in our culture.
I have been at Keswick – and I noted the opposition of some of the locals. I did a little personal research and found that the opposition to the Keswick convention had nothing to do with perceptions about abortion. The major concern was that Christians were not spending lots of money on drink – at the height of the tourist season. And to be honest there was just opposition to the Gospel. There was absolutely no need for Keswick to publicly dissociate themselves from Brephos. There was no need to say anything.
And there is no need for you to hector me and demand that ‘as a matter of urgency’ I remove the podcast. I disagree with Keswick on this.
If you wish to discuss further please feel free to e-mail me….
David, I am not sure how it is hectoring? I have a simply asked that you take down something which engages in extreme accusation. I am still running with assumption that this is based on a misunderstanding of events.
I don’t think k it is healthy for brothers and sisters to have accusations thrown at them via social media and then be presumed guilty unless they prove their innocence. I’m happy to email to give more detail about my concerns
My podcast does not engage in ‘extreme accusation’. It simply comments on Keswick issuing a press release attacking another Christian group and disagrees with the Keswick position. This is not a matter of emergency and your ‘cease and desist’ demand is more typical of the kind of threats lawyers send. Given that Keswick made this a public matter by issuing a public press release to a secular newspaper – I have no problem in responding publicly. You can’t have your cake and eat it!
Hi David, I’ve looked for your email address but don’t seem to be able to find it on the site. Could you point me to it or drop me a line and I’ll respond to that. Thanks
theweeflea@gmail.com
Thank you for the email address David. I note your comments here are also public. So, it is worth also responding publicly (but I will explain the detail in my email). 1. A gentle request to remove something inappropriate is neither hectoring, nor engaging in demands to cease and desist. 2. To not simply disagree with other believers actions but to accuse them of cowardice and to say that they would have sided with the slave traders over the abolitionists moves beyond strong disagreement to attacking motives and to attack character. 3. Your curtailed version of the narrative does not give a full or accurate picture of events -but regardless of that, it certainly does not justify your comments.
1) Demanding that as a matter of urgency I remove my post is not a ‘gentle request’
2) The analogy with the slave trade is accurate. I hope that in years to come we will look back with as much shame on the abortion trade as we now do with the slave trade. The main issue here is the prevalence and immorality of abortion….your press release said nothing about that. I regard this as at best unwise and at worst, cowardice. And I do think that Keswick issued a press release to a secular newspaper for ‘brand protection’ and PR reasons.
3) Going by your e-mail sent to me my version of events was accurate. You provided no further information other than to say that CPR only use one photo rather than their usual two. The bottom line is that Keswick issued a press release to a secular newspaper distancing yourself from an anti-abortion Christian organisation and saying nothing about the issue itself.
I have noticed this disturbing trend from some Christian organisations – whilst they are more than happy to criticise other Christian organisations (in this case Brephos) they immediately play the ‘you can’t speak against a Christian brother’ card when their own actions are critiqued.
I won’t be removing the podcast. If you had provided any evidence that the post was wrong I would have apologised and removed it….or left it as an example of my own errors….but all you have said has just confirmed it.
I will respond to your e-mail more fully when I am back from holiday…
Thanks
Ah David, you seem to be engaging under a misapprehension. You talk about “your press release,” I’m not from the Keswick convention. It’s not my press release. This means that it isn’t the case that Keswick are criticising others whilst insisting that they should not be. However, it is worth stating again that not am I saying that you cannot criticise brothers and sisters whilst treating it as okay for the convention to criticise. What I am saying is that it is one thing to say that we disagree with, think the actions or others are wrong as Keswick very mildly did. It is another to attack character and motives which Keswick did not do but which Brephos and yourself do. In that respect, my email does set out why you were wrong (again without attacking notice or character) . You comment here in an email not seen by the wider audience but in terms version of events, you have not provided the full narrative even the full narrative available from CBR UK. This is important because you accuse Keswick of going public to the secular world with accusations against Brephos. The fuller narrative from their own side points to an existing dispute. Keswick for whatever reason were unable it unwilling to accommodate Brephos, that is their right, just as it to choose who you have on your podcast. The narrative suggests that Brephos themselves took the dispute public into Keswick. They were not there to provide a public information event for the town but to target convention goes in a way that affected the town. Now it may be that you think that in that case the Convention still should not have responded. We are surely free to disagree on that. However attacking character and motives is something different. I hope you will address those specific concerns.
My apologies – I thought you were speaking on behalf of Keswick and had ‘inside information’. I think that what Keswick did was wrong. I wrote an accurate account of events – which you stated was wrong but have not been able to show why it was wrong. And yes I do think it was at best unwise and at worst cowardly for Keswick to issue a press release to the secular press attacking a fellow Christian organisation and saying nothing about the main issue at hand – abortion. But as you are not from the Keswick convention and have nothing substantive to add to the conversation – we will just agree to disagree. You attribute motives to Brephos of seeking to take a private dispute with Keswick into the public square, but object to anyone attributing any motives for Keswick doing exactly the same. We will just have to agree to disagree….
Hi David,
I will limit my response here to correcting what you have said about me.
I did not attribute motives to Brephos. It is a matter of record that Brephos wanted to present at the Convention. The Convention said no. It is clear from their own account that there was dispute. They are critical of the Convention Brephos then decided that they would make that a public matter in the secular world by choosing to run the activity outside the convention. This is all in their own account of matters.
Nor indeed am I saying that they were wrong to go public and cannot do so here. I may have my opinion on the wiseness and fittingness. My point is simply that Keswick may legitimately respond in such a situation
What motives Brephos had for making it a public matter is not something I’ve speculated on. The difference should be obvious. It is sad that it is not