This is a somewhat ‘feisty’ debate between myself and Terry Sanderson, the President of the National Secular Society on ‘Unbelievable’ on Premier Radio in London. It was difficult because I was in the midst of a conference in Ukraine, had just delivered a lecture and was due to give another. I recorded it over an Iphone in my lunch break. I was expecting a different opponent, they sent Terry at the last minute (I think because he had debated me before). I was disappointed that I did not pick up on a couple of things and that it ended more abruptly than I expected. Obviously I am too close to it to make an objective judgement but it seems to me that Terry had no answer to what was being said and that his case was totally destroyed. For me it was good to expose the myth of secular neutrality. But you might think otherwise so it would be good to get your feedback.